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Fierrol wrote:

lol

Everybody laughs. :) The key players had at one point ownership of at least 12 satellites (or dedicated time ownership on a satellite) amongst themselves, but we were unable to convince them on a concerted course of action (except broadcasting American Evangelical programs to Christians trapped in militant Atheist, and Islamic countries (a noble endeavor)). But for the rest it was worse than hoarding cats. Had they bought 51% of what would eventually become MTV at the ground floor (about 5 years before MTV officially launched when proposed) then used that as the basis of broadcast to interactive satellite telecommunication, i think the satcom would be an integral part of the Internet. All troubled water under burned bridges to nowhere.

At one time, American Evangelicals like Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson, and Jimmy Swaggart (technically their holding companies) had more communication satellite's in orbit between them than any other group.

Fierrol wrote:

Well, I probably should have led citing the Occulus Rift. It's sufficiently immersive to be rather disorienting, while being much less offensive than the Virtual Boy. So were you thinking more like holochess from Star Wars? It looks like someone's done some work on it: https://screenrant.com/star-wars-holochess-table-real-life-holograms/

Suppose an Occulus-like VR headset which puts you into a Metaverse-like world but with high end modern graphics instead of Zuckerberg's creepy cartoonish world, where you sit down with friends to a game of Roll20 on a virtual table that projects holograms of your gaming session...

As a kid, and even today that the stage (brain /computer reading device --bci) between 3d (simulated on a 2d screen or holographic) and direct neural feed (braindance and eye candy) would be short lived because of the bulky equipment (headset and body sleeve or necessary body accruements for that "I want to have been to Mars" experience). If the mic / iic would get out of the way that is. As it looks today, since all bci is tightly controlled, and we took a far left-turn in the fields of and relating to physical neurology no thanx to Leftist lunacy in the Universities and Medical fields (and Anti-intellectualism from the blue collar Fundamentalists) from which we have never recovered (and may take yet another 50 years just to get on track if Western Civ survives its assisted suicide attempt), I must reevaluate this.

More like the holochess but the models and terrain interactively controlled in real time by the GM and Players directly. Until there is actual neurooptical or neurocybernetic interface for a shared simulated experience, that is my preference. People are going to thrive better by being neighborly and interactive with each other face to face. The psychiatric problems of narcissism, psychopathy and sociopathy that accumulate without f2f social intercourse with the sights, sounds, smells, and touch sensations being part of the package is well documented by Behaviouralists (not a school I subscribe to, but the results of their experiments are valid). Our Cultural Marxists have used this (lack of people commonly touching each other (hugs, hand holding, pats on the shoulder arm or back, sometimes a friendly slap on the butt) in social environments to their advantage to foster detachment (a sense of not belonging), anxiety and loneliness) and make them more susceptible to their indoctrination. It needs to be confronted.

Fierrol wrote:

On the bright side, while there are churches that have fallen away or are in the process of falling away into a directionless social club, we're a long way from relegating Christianity to mere obscure elements of a barbarous syncretism. In fact, most churchgoers don't even go to drive through services. Winning! But a lot probably do consume televangelism. This might not be a bad thing depending upon perspective.

It is a mix of both. I think that Robertson is a brother, but a severely aberrant one. What some are spouting is unrepentant heresy (including those of the fellowship of my former ordination).

I went from leaning on the Wesleyan side of the fence to leaning on the Whitfield side of the fence in the American boulevard named Edwards after leaving the Finney Cul' de sac far behind. I am currently at Edwards Drive and Reformation Parkway (from which it turns into Edwards). From here, the perspective is clear. America has been graced by God with the tools, plans, and people to then become the freest, greatest nation in the history of the world for as long as it continues to love lovingkindness, do justly, and walk in humble gratitude the the Almighty. America needs revival, repentance and reformation back to those tools, plans and being that people, but deserves judgment, or (to quote Billy Graham regarding the Cultural Revolution (1960s) -- "If God does not destroy America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah"

Fierrol wrote:

That's the spirit! He's just a goodhearted philanthropist who's looking to reduce some carbon that's been vexing him... Was it the pie?

Lol. It was long before the pie, and probably even before he destroyed (or threw out) a bunch of high school and university kids mail exchange club's coding on paper tapes through the mail. (How dare they do that without being code monkeys for a Corp who owns the code). They wanted to throw him a blanket party (according to some rumors actually did). Unless he has changed recently he is a corporatist statist through and through (I would use the technical term for what Marxian derived Corporatist Statism is, but it has too much baggage to make the intended impact).

Fierrol wrote:

Euthanasia and other modes of culling seem inherent to the progressive impulse through the cheapening of life. I am of the opinion that letting go of such fertile grounds for mockery of this impulse and allowing it to be forgotten weakens the resistance of the uninitiated to its periodic reemergence.

That's an excellent point for consideration.

Please excuse the grammar and spellchecking and profuseness

Narland wrote:

There are companies using mega sized 3d printing techniques to build concrete and simulated concrete buildings that looks very promising.

I remember the 9th circuit court case back in the 70s from an Oregon case that ruled Soviet style Communist planning commissions were not unconstitutional. I thought for sure the Supreme Court would take it up and overturn it, but my Grandfather shook his head at my naïve idealism. 3 things that will immediately restore American productivity to being the greatest in the world -- return to planning commissions being de facto unlawful,

What is it that makes these planning commissions so uniquely damaging to American productivity (out of all the other undesirable government interventions)?

Narland wrote:

a full scale audit of the Federal Reserve as per the FRA of 1913 with full inquiry as to whether this extra-constitutional private organization has indeed stopped boom and bust cycles (economic bubbles), large scale inflation (or deflation), and massive bank failures or upon review they have not, forthwith return the American people's Gold back to the US Treasury on par of acquired value (that is current wholesale price -- of which there is not enough money in the world to cover) under penalty of Law so as to return to sound currency and honest banking; and forcing all legislation to cite specifically wherein thy have the explicit (not implicitly) authority to authorize (with necessary bulwark to make it so).

No argument here. I used to think the Fed could be reformed and rehabilitated, but these days I think that even if the Fed were designed and operated optimally, which is so far from reality as to not be a reasonable assumption at any time in the future, I first of all take issue with its ability to almost infinitely finance Federal spending. This is poisonous to the balance of state and federal powers and effectively eliminates a constitutional means for the people to control the government by limiting funds.

Narland wrote:

And adjusting the law to assume that all businesses are self-owned proprietorships (tort law notwithstanding -- and treating same with the same protections as llcs), with their own right to fiduciary instrumentation such that they for all intents and purposes can be their own financiers without the need for banks, credit unions, underwriters, or other such legislatively coerced patronage), such that 90% of business is individually owned and operated (as companies, proprietorships, enterprises, concerns, (I am missing some). Thus making state sponsored corporations (what we have been forced to conform to since LBJ) go back to making up less than 10% of all businesses -- we cannot return to being a free and productive people with free and open markets otherwise.

So, you're suggesting that sole proprietors should be able to issue their own bonds and other financial instruments? I wouldn't disagree in principle, but would that competitive edge be enough to undo the enormous gains in corporate profitability relative to small business owners? The ever growing list of regulatory impositions by all levels of government seems like it would have a more material impact.

Narland wrote:

They were seditious out of the gate, but I didn't expect them to be outright dastardly and spiteful, (and I was a teenage John Bircher. Looks like they were right about nearly everything). Dewey wrote in a letters to Seward and others that the only way to turn the US socialist was not by revolution but subversion of the constitution by conflating the separation of powers through administrative bureaucracies that would slowly erode American principles toward the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. The Fabian Socialists advocated for the creation of a rational administrative state (purportedly to assist the civil service) but in actuality to to supplant the 3 branches. They were very successful. We now follow 9 out of 10 Planks -- abolition of private property is the last holdout. Trying to convince most Americans back in the 60s and 70s that the RAS/Deep State were Socialist minions of Marxism trying to overthrow Liberty could get a person sent to a State Hospital for observation. I bet most JBS members feel like Rodney Dangerfield, "So now do ya believe me? Sheesh, ... I don't get no respect..."

I have been slow to come around to this point of view, but yes.

Narland wrote:

For me it was all the moon landings ST: The Original Series, a grade school books series that I cannot remember the name of, but one of the titles was Planet of the Whistlers (the worst book of the group), plus, Asimov, Heinlein, Norton, Clarke, Saberhagen's Berserker Series, many whose name I cannot remember, and tons of pulp fiction space opera.

Good inspiration. On the plus side, the Voyager program was still fresh when I was in elementary school, but then so too was the Challenger disaster. By the mid 1990s, there was also a renewed interest in more exploration of Mars with the Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Pathfinder and participation in the International Space Station. More recently, the Dawn and New Horizons missions have been fun. Excepting Star Wars and ST:TNG I didn't really get strongly into the fiction (inb4 it's all fiction and we can't get over the ice walls at the north and south poles).

Narland wrote:

Totally agree with the progression to space as a species, but I also think that space exploration in spirit should always include going to the next furthest star along the way. :)

So, I imagine you'd want to start with a probe. What needs to be done to get it to mission readiness? How soon is launch and what's the ETA? Do we wait for it to arrive and send transmissions before we begin the next phase of the project? What comes next?

I submit to you that the Oort cloud is hypothesized to extend out possibly as far as 3.2 light years, and Alpha Centauri is only about 4.3 light years away. If Alpha Centauri has an Oort cloud of its own, it may overlap with the Solar Oort cloud. Therefore, if there are objects of significant size and interest to colonize, then expanding into the Solar Oort cloud may be a concrete step in colonizing the Alpha Centauri system from the outside-in.

Narland wrote:

That is why one should practice on the spouse's car first. ::who me?:: I have never had a problem with phones or cars. I know people who have bricked their phones. I have bricked a few new motherboards trying to cripple the spyware before building a PC. There is no way I would ever get a new tractor unless I have total ownership over the software and firmware -- and that isn't going to happen any time soon.

So, it's not enough to hack into a new Jonh Deere and play Doom after lobotomizing it?

Narland wrote:

Yes. If we had a Moonbase or Marsbase (thanx for nothing LBJ, Rockefeller, and O'Neil), I would be there breaking out the popcorn. As it is now I will be happy just to have progeny survive to pass on the basics of civilization.

Keep that flame lit.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:

I speak for me and many of us, No, just like you guys will not change your mind on anything, I, me, we and us, say post and link too on this, it works both ways.

In Politics everything works both ways.

Thank you for the excellent question.

Don't forget the same dems who spent the months leading up to '20 questioning the security of electronic voting machines

Suzi Island wrote:

I do not know the heart of Kissinger but anyone solely blaming him for cambodia and wishing him to go to Hell must have missed the history lesson on the khmer Rouge and communism

I disliked Kissinger's policies immensely. He is the father both the Cold War post Viet-Nam NWO and the grandfather of the restructured New World Order. He favored imposing global banksterism through military force when deemed necessary; stifling economic growth to keep the current crop of Rhodes/Keynes/Fulbright/Dewey -ist globalists in power; imposing unconstitutional administrative dictatorial action to stifle dissent domestically and abroad. He was a known Soviet agent and our state department used him anyway. He didn't care for America, but liked playing global puppet master.

"The illegal we can do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer" -- Henry Kissinger

Fierrol wrote:

What is it that makes these planning commissions so uniquely damaging to American productivity (out of all the other undesirable government interventions)?

It assumes that people cannot do with their own property as they would otherwise lawfully see fit without permission from (and payment to) an overlord. It makes one a serf in their own country that is supposedly free. And it is a step away from the right to exercise one's liberty of the pursuit (business) of happiness (finding contentment (by happenstance) in providing a product or service to others) toward the Marxist/Socialist goal of the abolition of private property.

Just as socialism destroys the optimal and spontaneous pricing mechanism of individual goods, Soviet style planning commissions abolish the creative/destructive negentropic spontaneity of trade and commerce of the marketplaces themselves (that is places to conduct that industry, trade and commerce) in real costs and prices for location, storage and transportation of goods and services. Planning commissions obfuscate and distort the free market signals; limit people in their right to conduct their business unless in certain zones; destroy fairness by limiting options / raising the costs of doing business (actually favoring nepotism and those who can pay to play); and pricing young or starting entrepreneurs out of the market.

Portland Oregon built an very large business district (using imminent domain and wasting taxpayer monies) that was mostly emptily for nearly 2 decades while taxing the local businesses to death. 100s of millions in people's productivity lost. People need to exercise their Liberty to quickly adjust to the market forces to do business when and where convenient for the people interacting with the market. Just like no supercomputer can predict optimal prices better than the spontaneous open market, neither can any civil planner have the infinite knowledge necessary for the best places of optimal growth/development/death, nor the placements and movements of those markets (and measure tham accurately against other needs and wants of the people and their property.

Fierrol wrote:

So, you're suggesting that sole proprietors should be able to issue their own bonds and other financial instruments? I wouldn't disagree in principle, but would that competitive edge be enough to undo the enormous gains in corporate profitability relative to small business owners? The ever growing list of regulatory impositions by all levels of government seems like it would have a more material impact.

100 years ago (before all these Progressive experiments) 90% of workers were self-employed, and 10% of workers were employees. Progressives need most people used to being employees so that when the Revolution comes, the transfer to a dictatorship of the proletariat is as seamless as possible. Trump and especially Ramaswamay's proposals to dismantle the unconstitutional Administrative State, and get rid of 90% of regulations are a good start. The transformation of Sweden to a market economy was swift. Returning to 90% of a constituency being self-employed producers (who historically are very hostile to unnecessary and nuisance regulators and regulation that don't contribute to wealth creation) tend to elect public officers who think the same way.

Fierrol wrote:

Good inspiration. On the plus side, the Voyager program was still fresh when I was in elementary school, but then so too was the Challenger disaster. By the mid 1990s, there was also a renewed interest in more exploration of Mars with the Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Pathfinder and participation in the International Space Station. More recently, the Dawn and New Horizons missions have been fun. Excepting Star Wars and ST:TNG I didn't really get strongly into the fiction (inb4 it's all fiction and we can't get over the ice walls at the north and south poles).

So, I imagine you'd want to start with a probe. What needs to be done to get it to mission readiness? How soon is launch and what's the ETA? Do we wait for it to arrive and send transmissions before we begin the next phase of the project? What comes next?

I submit to you that the Oort cloud is hypothesized to extend out possibly as far as 3.2 light years, and Alpha Centauri is only about 4.3 light years away. If Alpha Centauri has an Oort cloud of its own, it may overlap with the Solar Oort cloud. Therefore, if there are objects of significant size and interest to colonize, then expanding into the Solar Oort cloud may be a concrete step in colonizing the Alpha Centauri system from the outside-in.

Good questions. I am 20 years behind the curve as to current capabilities. If I have some free time it is something to brush up on. Even if we get a probe going at 10%-20% the speed of light it will provide an impetus to continue exploration.

Fierrol wrote:

So, it's not enough to hack into a new Jonh Deere and play Doom after lobotomizing it?

Lol. We had access to some spiffy toys toward the end of the cold war. Our cadre had integrated an NES console into an electronic countermeasures monitor to play Donkey Kong (and other games) during down time. The command was both impressed and incensed at the same time. Our punishment was was more of an incentive to help upgrade future equipment than anything else.

If my tractor could talk to me, do my laundry, and grab me a Dr. Pepper from the fridge, my wife would probably divorce me and take the tractor for herself.

Fierrol wrote:

Keep that flame lit.

According to some Idaho is the great American redoubt. At least 11 neighboring counties from Oregon want to join the State. By 2075 Idaho might be as big as Alberta, or twice that size if Alberta wants to join.

Narland wrote:

Yes. According to JBS, his designation during the Cold War was Boar. When the wall came down, and the KGB/GRU docs came in, it was he. He was most likely a double agent who triple-crossed the Soviet Union (occam's razor), or the upper crust globalists just didn't care which side won the cold war (conspiracy theory). He was considered an unexpendable asset by Deep State regardless.

I’m not finding much online (at least not that’s publicly available to me). Could you point me in a better direction so I can see for myself?

Thanks.

Narland wrote:

Yes. According to JBS, his designation during the Cold War was Boar. When the wall came down, and the KGB/GRU docs came in, it was he. He was most likely a double agent who triple-crossed the Soviet Union (occam's razor), or the upper crust globalists just didn't care which side won the cold war (conspiracy theory). He was considered an unexpendable asset by Deep State regardless.

Fierrol wrote:

James Corbett reposted a 2009 podcast of his on Kissinger upon his passing (https://odysee.com/@corbettreport:0/flashback-kissingerdead:4). There is a substantial section which cites from Gary Allen's book, Kissinger: The Secret Side of the Secretary of State, which makes this claim (~9:15) that a defecting communist double agent claimed Kissinger was recruited by the KGB and given the code name Bor around 1946 or so.

Thank you both.

If I was a student at Harvard excused of plagiarism I would appeal any punishment and cite their president as an example of one who got away with it. Standards aren't being enforced at the top

Suzi Island wrote:

Don't forget the same dems who spent the months leading up to '20 questioning the security of electronic voting machines

nation=suzi_island
GMS Cuban Alberto Proud, Pro Republicans. Pro President Trump, Pro USA USA USA, Make America Great Again and Greater Again, Proud MAGA Republicans, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA, of America, like President Trump is and all of us are, and Economic Libertarians are Conservative Republicans Friends.

Guess what Suzi? Bovad who happens to a communist socialist, recently reported me for admitting to Kalaron, that I am a Fascist Nazi, which I did not do, and I was vindicated, and obviously as a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People, like President Trump is, and for many other reasons, none of us are similar too and non of us are Fascist Nazis.

Like many leftist democrat politicians, political commentators, political journalists, and VIPs are saying on the leftist media and the so called mainstream, leftist mainstream media.

All of us are American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor.

Here is the link to it. viewtopic.php?p=41162890#p41162890

Sorry. I've been kind of busy lately.

Narland wrote:

Everybody laughs. :) The key players had at one point ownership of at least 12 satellites (or dedicated time ownership on a satellite) amongst themselves, but we were unable to convince them on a concerted course of action (except broadcasting American Evangelical programs to Christians trapped in militant Atheist, and Islamic countries (a noble endeavor)). But for the rest it was worse than hoarding cats. Had they bought 51% of what would eventually become MTV at the ground floor (about 5 years before MTV officially launched when proposed) then used that as the basis of broadcast to interactive satellite telecommunication, i think the satcom would be an integral part of the Internet. All troubled water under burned bridges to nowhere.

At one time, American Evangelicals like Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson, and Jimmy Swaggart (technically their holding companies) had more communication satellite's in orbit between them than any other group.

So then, what do you make of Starlink? Is that looking like it will belatedly realize the promise of satellite communications as a part of the internet as you had once envisioned?

Narland wrote:

As a kid, and even today that the stage (brain /computer reading device --bci) between 3d (simulated on a 2d screen or holographic) and direct neural feed (braindance and eye candy) would be short lived because of the bulky equipment (headset and body sleeve or necessary body accruements for that "I want to have been to Mars" experience). If the mic / iic would get out of the way that is. As it looks today, since all bci is tightly controlled, and we took a far left-turn in the fields of and relating to physical neurology no thanx to Leftist lunacy in the Universities and Medical fields (and Anti-intellectualism from the blue collar Fundamentalists) from which we have never recovered (and may take yet another 50 years just to get on track if Western Civ survives its assisted suicide attempt), I must reevaluate this.

More like the holochess but the models and terrain interactively controlled in real time by the GM and Players directly. Until there is actual neurooptical or neurocybernetic interface for a shared simulated experience, that is my preference.

So of course, I'm going to invoke Elon again. What do you think of Neuralink? (maybe putting aside the animal cruelty)

Narland wrote:

People are going to thrive better by being neighborly and interactive with each other face to face. The psychiatric problems of narcissism, psychopathy and sociopathy that accumulate without f2f social intercourse with the sights, sounds, smells, and touch sensations being part of the package is well documented by Behaviouralists (not a school I subscribe to, but the results of their experiments are valid). Our Cultural Marxists have used this (lack of people commonly touching each other (hugs, hand holding, pats on the shoulder arm or back, sometimes a friendly slap on the butt) in social environments to their advantage to foster detachment (a sense of not belonging), anxiety and loneliness) and make them more susceptible to their indoctrination. It needs to be confronted.

What is this? Face to face? Touching? You speak of strange and alien concepts that I can scarcely imagine. Perhaps this lack of close personal connection with peers has actually insulated me from the indoctrination I was supposed to receive from public school...

Narland wrote:

It is a mix of both. I think that Robertson is a brother, but a severely aberrant one. What some are spouting is unrepentant heresy (including those of the fellowship of my former ordination).

I went from leaning on the Wesleyan side of the fence to leaning on the Whitfield side of the fence in the American boulevard named Edwards after leaving the Finney Cul' de sac far behind. I am currently at Edwards Drive and Reformation Parkway (from which it turns into Edwards). From here, the perspective is clear. America has been graced by God with the tools, plans, and people to then become the freest, greatest nation in the history of the world for as long as it continues to love lovingkindness, do justly, and walk in humble gratitude the the Almighty. America needs revival, repentance and reformation back to those tools, plans and being that people, but deserves judgment, or (to quote Billy Graham regarding the Cultural Revolution (1960s) -- "If God does not destroy America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah"

That geospatial metaphor was informative. (Which ordination, by the way?) I'm afraid I don't have quite so well developed of a theological outlook. I was merely raised on weekly spoonfuls of Diet Calvinism, and today tend to be moderate (maybe a bit liberal?) in my theological interpretations with ecumenical and pluralistic leanings. Nonetheless, I disavow theological progressivism, the overcompensation of the anti-literalist camp, and the behavior of those who revel and take pride in their rebellion against God.

But surely there are 50 righteous within America? But then again, men may yet take the destruction of the land into their own hands.

Narland wrote:

Lol. It was long before the pie, and probably even before he destroyed (or threw out) a bunch of high school and university kids mail exchange club's coding on paper tapes through the mail. (How dare they do that without being code monkeys for a Corp who owns the code). They wanted to throw him a blanket party (according to some rumors actually did). Unless he has changed recently he is a corporatist statist through and through (I would use the technical term for what Marxian derived Corporatist Statism is, but it has too much baggage to make the intended impact).

Something about some Italian guy's merger of corporation and state, I reckon? There are those people out there who continuously seek the synthesis of capitalism and socialism, with the efficiencies of the first and the control of the second. Certain disreputable sorts achieved a variant of it in the early 20th Century, but that came crashing down and set back the project for a few decades. But ambition won't be deterred, and proponents sought a synthesis between East and West, communism and capitalism, throughout the Cold War. Even today people are actively aiming for the perfect synthesis. Too bad it seems that there's never a shortage of financiers and industrialists who are ready to spearhead the corporate side of this project. But with the same end goal and a recurring cast of characters, it should be no great surprise that current efforts would have certain unsavory echoes of the past.

Narland wrote:

That's an excellent point for consideration.

Please excuse the grammar and spellchecking and profuseness

No apologies necessary.

Fierrol wrote:

Sorry. I've been kind of busy lately.

NP. Same. Lots of busy-ness before Christmas during and after.

Fierrol wrote:

So then, what do you make of Starlink? Is that looking like it will belatedly realize the promise of satellite communications as a part of the internet as you had once envisioned?

So of course, I'm going to invoke Elon again. What do you think of Neuralink? (maybe putting aside the animal cruelty)

Very similar. I think if satcomming had taken off, Musk would have introduced something magnitudes beyond what Starlink currently is. But baby steps before Borg assimilation. Or will it be Skynet? Inquiring minds want to know.

Having cyberpunk as a favored literary genre, I think we are moving along at a safer pace than with ai. But I am FOSS all the way. Which begs the question as to how we are going to get the IP laws back to the lawful standard of free enterprise. I would like to go back to the Founders limitations (name recognition for the creator with a monopoly for a short (less then two decades) time, or until the work is obviously de facto public domain.

How about yourself -- What do you think of the current state of things tech-wise? Would you get chipped or socketed? I think I am happy with a kb.

Fierrol wrote:

What is this? Face to face? Touching? You speak of strange and alien concepts that I can scarcely imagine. Perhaps this lack of close personal connection with peers has actually insulated me from the indoctrination I was supposed to receive from public school...

<<We are School. Prepare to be assimilated. Our distinctiveness will be borged onto your own. Thinking is futile. Resistant is racist misogynist, homophobist, islamophobist, ... (thirty minutes later) ... wokephobist. (Shakespearean Pause). We are School. Prepare to be assimilated... >>

The one thing I notice is the Leftists do not want people to have a healthy respect of sexual boundaries delineated from appropriate and frequent familial and friendly touching and embracing. The quickest way to make sociopaths in any society is to deprive children (and adults) of proper tactile closeness, which cannot be anything but intentional.

Fierrol wrote:

That geospatial metaphor was informative. (Which ordination, by the way?) I'm afraid I don't have quite so well developed of a theological outlook. I was merely raised on weekly spoonfuls of Diet Calvinism, and today tend to be moderate (maybe a bit liberal?) in my theological interpretations with ecumenical and pluralistic leanings. Nonetheless, I disavow theological progressivism, the overcompensation of the anti-literalist camp, and the behavior of those who revel and take pride in their rebellion against God.

I am intrigued. I thought Calvinism was a caged beast that needed to be tamed. :) Too much thinking doth make one mad and all that. I can see Diet Calvinism existing but in my mind, it kind of sounds like saying mildly fanatic, sort-of Pentecostal, or partly a Communist revolutionary.

I think Reformed Covenantal Theology (the Theology lensed to give God the glory due his Name first and foremost) is doctrinally fitting for an age of professed Christians who are gods unto themselves and practical atheists in their living.

It is good to be reasonable cautious in our journey to glorify God and enjoy him. Faith informed by reason is an important part. I tend toward being cautiously conservative after growing up in both the Society of Friends and Assemblies of God, (and nearly "disfellowshiped" from a Dutch Reformed Church that I would tagalong into). Between impromptu sitting in serene worshipful silence until His presence fills the room (Quakers), or standing ups and sitting downs in worshipful recitation over and over (and maybe tapping one's toe to a sacred hymn) (Reformed), and an impromptu cardiovascular workout of jumping over pews, swinging from the rafters in attempts at worship (Pentecostal), -- God is so gracious and merciful -- It is amazing to discover the whole range of Christianity between the extremes, both here and abroad.

I was ordained with a Latter Rain affiliation of the defunct Oregon Association of Evangelicals. The name Oregon Association of Evangelicals has since been taken over by a lobby group and has no connection to the former OAE. My original intent was a futile effort to plant non-denominational churches with Latter Rain distinctives rooted in the historic creeds of Protestant Christianity (Methodist or Baptistic mainly) so as to steer the movement away from embracing and rooting itself into Restorationism. Non-denominational as in catholic, not non-denominational as in anti-credo and fiercely independent of other Christians.

Needless to say I was young and naïve making some enemies in the wrong circles, and couldn't get help from the right circles. My fellowship ended up agreeing to disband, and left into various denominations. I set the ordination aside (beside missions work and a few marriages). In a moment of weakness (those recruiters are crafty), I ended up the military, and afterwards doing jack (of-all-trades) work (I get bored easily) to support unorganized (some would say disorganized) evangelism activities.

Fierrol wrote:

But surely there are 50 righteous within America? But then again, men may yet take the destruction of the land into their own hands.

God always reserves a remnant. I pray for revival, even though we do not deserve it. My hope is a new Great awakening with reformation, revival and repentance, and a return to Constitutional self-governance so we can be a land once again dedicated to Liberty and actual opportunity (not false assurances of a security that cannot exist without despotism and tyranny).

Fierrol wrote:

Something about some Italian guy's merger of corporation and state, I reckon? There are those people out there who continuously seek the synthesis of capitalism and socialism, with the efficiencies of the first and the control of the second. Certain disreputable sorts achieved a variant of it in the early 20th Century, but that came crashing down and set back the project for a few decades. But ambition won't be deterred, and proponents sought a synthesis between East and West, communism and capitalism, throughout the Cold War. Even today people are actively aiming for the perfect synthesis. Too bad it seems that there's never a shortage of financiers and industrialists who are ready to spearhead the corporate side of this project. But with the same end goal and a recurring cast of characters, it should be no great surprise that current efforts would have certain unsavory echoes of the past.

True. That Italian guy gets a lot of indirect attention, but totally mangle his "-ism," That perfect synthesis by any other name still oppresses and murders in countless number and cannot but deprive others of their inherent right as human beings to live, breath, work, and move unmolested from the evils of arbitrary power. That is why fools (morally stupid and ethically challenged people no matter how smart and capable otherwise) need to be kept far away from any reins of power. But I am singing to the choir. :) A part of true godliness is understanding that the fruits of liberty (spiritual and material prosperity) can only result from recognizing the (God and nature's God, by way of the Natural Law) its due course without intervention aside from stopping coercion and fraud.

Fierrol wrote:

No apologies necessary.

What is your outlook for the 2024 election, and its possible results?

2024 will be a crazy year whatever happens